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many saw a resemiblens between the missing man and many suspects. all of this bringing more heartbreak to a family desperate for answers. i'll talk to the family exclusively. that's tomorrow night. now, anderson cooper. >> piers, thanks, good evening, everyone. 10:00 here in boston. we have breaking news on many, many fronts tonight, including where authorities say the suspects bought pressure cookers used in the two ieds that did too much damage used not too far from where i'm standing. an official told them they bought them at a department store macys. there's no hard eft of accomplices that they know of from overseas and no conclusions about what they've radicalized them. there's that, but that's only the beginning. in a moment, you're going to meet the man who came face-to-face with the bombing suspect in his boat. here's an acount different from what we've all been hearing. just imagine what you'd do in his shoes.
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you go into the backyard and see this, only not from a chopper, not in black and white, up close. in bloody, living color. you're going to hear from the watertown man who photographed the fire fight on the street outside of his house. this is the fire that took place very early morning. the images, utterly breathtaking. this one showing the two suspects taking aim at police at the end of that chase thursday night. another shows the police suv that a police officer used in a move straight out of an action film putting it in gear, letting it roll empty to draw fire and give fellow officers a moment to get in better position to take down the older suspect. much more on that tonight. we have other developments, as well. the local d.a. here saying massachusetts will not sur sue state charges against the surviving suspected, leaving all prosecution to the feds. additionally, the 19-year-old may soon be relocated from the hospital because some families'
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victims being treated here object. we're also learning that the suspect brother's in wars were motivation for himself. also under the heading of unanswered questions, some new information on a mysterious potential influence on the older suspect. tamerlan's alleged turn to radical islam. we learned that he bought a large amount of fireworks leading up to the attacks which may help explain the process of perfecting their bombs. we have eel tell you what we know. in addition to all of that, people who live and work on this stretch of boyleston street were still no go today. and in a private ceremony, family members held a funeral mass for martin richard. we laid our son martin to rest, his parents said. and he's now at peace. it has been quite a day, but nothing compared to the night that david henenbury had on friday. that's his backyard. and that is his boat.
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it's where he discovered the younger suspect and then quickly called police. you may have heard the story of how it happened. that story, the one we've all been hearing, is not quite true. tonight, mr. henenbury is telling it like it was. >> i know people say there's bloods in the boat, he saw blood when he went in. not -- >> not true? >> not true. >> the word is you saw the boat, you pulled back the wrapping, you saw a body, it moved and you called 9-1-1. >> oh, no, no, no. >> no? >> no, no, no. >> so he went to the garage and grabbed a stepladder. >> i got i think three steps up the ladder and i rolled it up and i can see through now the shrink wrap. i didn't expect to see anything. and i look in the boat over here and look on the floor. and i see blood. >> a lot of blood? >> a good amount of blood.
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>> and my eyes went to the other side of the engine box. it's in the middle. there was a body. >> and, at that moment, what did you do? what were you thinking at that moment? >> oh, my god. >> he couldn't see suspect number 2's face. he was glad he couldn't see his face. >> well, i know i took three steps up the ladder. i don't remember stepping down. this hits you more afterwards when you think my god, we probably slept last night. i don't know, it's surreal. >> in that instant, police responded and he and his wife were taken away. >> people are calling you a national hero? >> if people who got killed can get something from me -- >> reporter: you know, in many ways, they do. >> then i'm at peace with them.
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you know? >> so earlier, the story had been that there had been blood that was visible. he said that that's not the case at all. that some of the plastic wrapping was off and that's what made him peer inside the boat and the alleged suspect. mr. hennenberry doesn't want to be reimbursed. he wants all money to go to the bombing survivors and families and says he has a perfectly good canoe in the garage that he can use. let's get you up to speed from drew griffin and jake tapper who join me now. do you have more information as to what might be a mote vating factor for these brothers? what are you learning? >> well, anderson we told you yesterday according to u.s. government officials dzhokhar is talking to investigators, communicating with them. and one of the things that he is saying, and investigators making sure it's all accurate, they acted alone, the two brothers. tlfgs no foreign terrorist group. they were self radicalized from the internet and, also, that
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their motivation was jihadist with the islamist extremist that that entailed. i also learned today from the same official, that part of that, part of the jihadist sentiment that they were acting because the way to defend islam from being you should attack in their view, one of the ways that came to fruition in their view was the wars in iraq and afghanistan. so, in other words, j dzhokhar is saying that's one of the reasons they carried out the attack. and it is likely, he said, that alalack, i, the cleric who was killed by u.s. drones a couple years ago, that his sermons were among those used to radicalize those among others. anderson? >> and what have investigators been able to learn as to whether or not he and his brother were in contact with any foreign terrorist groups or foreign jihadist groups? >> as of now, no investigators
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have found any evidence that that has happened. and dzhokhar has claimed that there are no contact with foreign groups. this is just the word of one guy who a lot of people don't have any trust for. and, of course, the older brother, tamerlan, spent all of that time abroad. so he spent all of that time abroad. and people are looking to his time and if there was anything there. it was self radicalization from watch watching the internet, although they are looking into investigators whether or not that al kwa da in the arabian peninsula magazine inspired -- played any role, teaching people how to make bombs in the kich b. en. they were looking into that, but so far, nothing definitive. anderson? >> we're going to check in with our correspondent nick robertson. we want to bring in drew graf fin. we're learning in the last hour or two, after our 8:00
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broadcast, more about a person here who may have influenced the older brother. >> you know, the wars in iraq and afghanistan have been going on for a decade. when you see somebody who's self radicalized, there's usually another turning point. somebody who influences them. now we're learning from tamerlan's uncle, who says there was a such person, a person here in cambridge, 2009. and the uncle said that this person was really getting into tamerlan's head and telling them all about radical islam. he was worried about he actually called a family friend to see what it's about. here's what the uncle told us. >> i called one of the gentlemen living in that area. i said listen, do you know what is going on with that family? with my brother's family?
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i heard that talking from milan. where that might be coming from? and he says oh, yeah, there is a such a thing. there is a person, some of new convert to islam from armenien decent. armeniens, i have no intention to say anything about. it's a neighboring region. and he said this person, it just took his brain. he just brainwashed him completely. >> since that interview that was given to shannon travis over the weekend, ourselves and a lot of reporters from cnn and everywhere have been trying to find this mysterious person, the name misha, red beard, anderson, we haven't been able to find anything about this person at all. this, again, is coming from the uncle of the suspects. and this is what he's telling
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me. maybe there is an influence. certainly, it's something that investigators will be looking at. >> and the dynamics in this family are fascinating. they are all over the map. there's some sort of division in the family. some of them are saying this is a conspiracy by the government against these young people, clearly, this uncle seems to think this misha was involved. their credibility is obviously a huge, open question. and there's a lot we need to figure about that. you also spoke to the chief of police in watertown. woe told you about that shootout on friday morning. >> the chief sat down and told us some interesting fine points of terrorism about just what happened when these two killers come barrelling into their town, opened fire and the police there respond without knowing anything about it. take a look at what happens to just one sergeant. >> oh, yeah.
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there's a serious gun fight going on. the second person on the scene, one of my sergeants, he immediately pulled up and at least gets one shot right through his windshield. so he's on the fire as soon as he shows up. they don't teach you this stuff at the police academy. you don't train for this. he has the -- i don't know how to describe it, the courage and determination to keep fighting. and he decides to put the car in gear because his car is taking the fire. they're shooting right at him in that car. >> the chief wouldn't tell us this sergeant's name. yet. but what happens next is absolutely fas nalting. here's this guy, he has a bullet through his windshield. he realizes he and all of his mates are under tremendous fire. this is what he does. he takes his car and decides at that split second. this is not a military soldier. this is a local police, decides
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to use that car as his open weapon. and here o's how the chief described it. >> and he puts it in gear and lets it roll down the street while he's able to get out and take up a position so he's a little bit safer. at the end, he said to my captain, i hope the chief isn't mad at me, that cruiser is a little bit damaged. i said serg, are you kidding me? they're going to be writing about you in textbooks. that was brilliant under that situation. >> let me make sure i understand that. he gets out of the car and lets his car float on in to the dudes? >> right. so they think he's still in the car and they're unloading on the car while he's able to take up a position inside and start returning fire. >> it's amazing. jake, you caught up on the guy from the window of his apartment during the shootout and took pictures of it. what do they show?
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>> they're incredible, anderson. andrew kitzenburg took these pictures. he had the presence of mind when he heard the gunshots and grab his iphone. here you have the two bombing suspects firing at police right outside his house in this lovely neighborhood in watertown. the circle there is circling the pressure cooker bomb, that third pressure cooker bomb that the brothers ignited and threw at police leaving a big, you know, ignition stain on the ground after the explosion. so that's one of the pictures. he took about 15 or 16 that we have. the next picture i want to show you, this is after the older brother fires upon the police and then he gets taken out. and you see the car rushing towards -- the circle is where the older brother is. the car rushing towards him and the police, that's dzhokhar. he is in the car and driving towards the police in the car.
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and then the last picture we're going to show you, this is a car that they left behind in which there are a lot of bombs and a robot looking for volatile sub stanszs in this car. anderson? >> amazing pictures. amazing he had the presence of mind to do that. drew, you're getting some information about fireworks or pyrotechnic devices. >> yes, february 6, tamerlan, the older brother, goes to new hampshire where fireworks are legal. he goes into the store and says what is the biggest, loudest thing you have. he buys two of these. they are called lock and load kits, reloadble mortar kits. easily traceable, anderson. you have to write down your identification, your driver's license number when you buy this stuff in new hampshire. so the guy -- after the bombings, the guy at the store calls up law enforcement and
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says hey, i've got him right here. he's buying this now. >> and we don't know the purpose of them. >> >> no, we don't, but that will all be part of the investigation. >> police did find some in the younger brother? >> yes, a large pyrotechnic is how it was described in the criminal clant. >> the planning goes back several months. >> absolutely. >> you can follow me on twitter @andersoncooper. coming up, what the f.b.i. knew about tamerlan's possible overseas connections. and when they knew it, what was he doing over there? he left his wife, he left his little baby here for six months to go to russia? why? we're trying to figure that out. details obama thn that ahead.
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breaking news tonight. a federal official tells cnn that the suspects brought pressure cookers from macys. they've yet to uncover any hard i incidences of trips overseas. again, there's a lot in that timeline of what he did for six months. there's also interest, a year earlier that russians showed interest in his activities. >> tamerlan first hit the fbi's radar in 2011 when the russian government told the agency they should check him out. >> they sent a letter to the fbi and other agencies and said we think this guy has become radical. you need to watch him.
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>> was based on information that he was a follower of radical islam and a strong believer that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the united states for travel to the country's region to join unspecified underground groups. the fbi says it checks u.s. government data bases, telephone chun cas communications on line activity and actually interviewed tamerlan and family members. the fbi says it did not find any family activity so it gave that information to russia and asked for but did not receive more specific or additional info. case closed. >> because additional information didn't come in, the fbi says for our purposes and our system and all the investigation we're allowed to do here, it hasn't risen to the level to warrant further investigation or full time surveillance. >> a federal law enforcement individual agrees and says tamerlan was not on a watch list
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because the u.s. never deemed him a threat. so there were no alarm bells when he came back to the u.s. six months later. >> by the time he returned, all investigations, the matter had been closed. >> but even so if the department of homeland security even knew that he was on the fbi's radar. feds failing to talk to each other was supposed to be a lesson learned from 9/11. >> we're trying to make sure that all of that information that was available was shared. if it wasn't, then there may be somebody who dropped the bomb. >> a u.s. official said everyone when the even when there's a hit in the suspect, it's just monitoring for suspicious travel. >> well, let's dig deeper now. peelter bergen, former cia officer there.
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nick, what i cannot figure out about this six-month trip this guy had to russia, this is a guy who has a newborn baby. he leaves for six months without his wife. i don't know how many married couples get to do that. he doesn't have much money. he doesn't have a job and he's able to spend six months over there. what period of time do we know about? and what period of time do we not know about in that six-month window. >> it's very hard to nail it down precisely. there have been accounts that he's helping his father renovate an apartment in the city here. that's what kept him busy a lot of time. his aunt said he spent two days in chechnya. neighbors say that they saw him around. that he was there for some of the time. but trying to nail down the specifics of did he leave town? did he take a bus ride? did he take a plane ride
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somewhere? those details just unavailable or perhaps didn't happen so far. and the family are just not saying more of these generalities. they're still in shock through a state of denial about what's happened. so it's very unclear to have done that. the mosque that he attended, a radical mosque, say he wasn't associated with us. he wasn't coming here. >> bob, the other thing that the russians say if he had some concern to talk about the f.b.i. and ask for aban interview and said he was involved in radical islam, how closely would anyone have been monitoring him during that six-month window in russia.
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>> if there's a slight change in the name, any number of ways you can get through moscow airport, we just don't know. normally, the russians pull these people aside. but they do make their mistakes just as we do. he just slipped through the system. anderson, let's go back to the f.b.i. interviewing him. when he came back into the country, this is standard, interviewed him, gone through his computer, if he had one, his address books, his cell phones. asked him where he was. simply to add to the files. but there's all this piping and no one after all of needs years is talking to each other. it's just a fact. and this is how the guy got through. >> peter, i try to think back to
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other american citizens or naturalized citizens. i come back to a number who have ended up going back to somalia. what did we learn from those cases that might apply to this? are there any lessons to learn? >> well, i guess in comparison to somalia, you know, obviously, the parents who then went back to somalia, they were fleeing and trying to put that behind them. in the case of the brothers in boston, it seem toss be an example of what is called being a re-vert. a re-vert is somebody who has grown up in a muslim family and
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reverts to a much more fundamentalist into his life. that may have been informed by the chechen struggle, as well. many people revert without necessarily going down the line. but that is a necessary precondition to get to that point. the kinds of things that is we've heard about the older brother, his political religious views. we've seen this pattern before. and, unfortunately, you know, it produced this result. >> we're hearing more now from the uncle who is in the united states who talks about this misha character who may have been an influence on the older brother. a lot remains unclear about a, how believable this uncle is. but if there was sort of this character here, that is obviously something law enforcement wants to look into.
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how do we figure out the motive? that's relevant investigation here. before we can determine whether there's a failure, we have to figure out what the intelligence is. where is it leading to the more important thing, while this is a relevant discussion to learn how did this happen? and did the government fail in anyway, is that the legal case is just going to continue. one of the great things about charging the younger brother with a case. so all of the questions about where and why and who are real vent to the case. that makes that part of the investigation, the legal side, advancing everyone if it may take years as nick was suggesting what happened in russia. >> peter bergen, bob behr, nick robe robertson, all of you, thangs. coming up, we're going to play
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you a conversation their mother had with cnn's nick peyton walsh in dagistan. alts, katie is bringing a brand new statement. we'll tell you what she's saying and how she's actually cooperating with law enforcement. more on my interview with a remarkable young woman, a dance instructor who lost her left foot, part of her left leg in the bombings. she's determined to dance again. tonight, she tells me she is not going to let what happened to kill her dreams, even though it was a night mare that she relives every single day. >> i looked up and said can you help me? and i was just covered in bloot and a couple of people were just in a state of shock.
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welcome tobacco. >> it seems to >> cnn's nick peyton walsh spoke with their mother on the phone and then briefly in the street. take a look. >> my sons were innocent. i love them. i want the whole world to hear about it. i love them. and i will love them. and i want to go -- i mean, i want to join them. if they're going to kill me today, i will be happy. happy. okay? . okay. and i will say allah. >> they killed them just because they were muslim.
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nothing else. >> we're also learning more tonight about the wife of tamerlan. her name is catherine russel. she goes by katie and her attorney says she knew nothing about what her husband was allegedly planning. chris lawrence has more on exactly what we've learned about her. >> tamerlan's widow ran out of her home. investigators want her help as they piece together the alleged boston bomber's plan. >> there were reports that came as an absolute shock to them all. >> as authorities try to determine when and where he may have assembled the bombs, investigators want to find out what, if anything, she knows. >> she is doing everything she
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can to assist in the on going investigation. >> they say she last saw tamerlan before she went to work thursday before the fbi released this video. they say she worked as a home health aide while tamerlan stayed home with the young couple's daughter. >> very friendly, very smart and very talented. >> her high school art teacher says she talked a lot about her college degree. >> are you surprised to find out that she had dropped out? >> i was surprised. i hadn't seen any indication of a particular interest in a lot of women. >> she moved to boston for college, met tamerlan and dropped out. attorneys say she converted to islam. chris now joins me live. just to be clear, her attorney
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says she's doing everything she can to cooperate. has she sat down and had interviews with the fbi? >> at this point, we don't think so. and if she has, her attorneys certainly aren't saying that publicly. they keep telling us that they keep talking to authorities on her behalf. but they still haven't confirmed that she's ready to sit down and talk to investigators herself one-on-one. >> that's because she actually hasn't shat down to talk to them. >> was she living in that apartment? i know you said she saw you on thushz after the apartmentment was she living full time? or was she also sending time with her parents? were they living together? >> well, the attorneys say that they were living together in that apartment in cambridge. that was the apartment that the brother's parents got when they first came to this country.
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basically, she would see a lot of her mother-in-law, the brother's mother. and herbson, for all the talk about tamerlan being so isolated and not having any american friends, let's remember that he married an american girl named katie from the suburbs of providence, rhode island. so not everything there squares. >> we've talked to a number of people who have said everything is not square. chris, i appreciate the update. more ahead on my interview with a young dance instructor. dance will not be stopped by what she lost in the bombing. doctors had to amputate her leg several inches below her knee. but she says she is not giving up. >> i look at this as someone trained to stop me from
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welcome back tonight. eight days after the bombing, 43
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remain hospitalized. at least a dozen are remaining from amputations. including a young woman. the second explosion destroyed her left foot. doctors had to amp ewe tat her leg to come about four or five inches below the knee. she says dancing is her life. she can't imagine not being able to dance. i met her in the hospital yesterday. she says she will dance again. she's determined to do that and is getting started right away. tonight, we want to play you more of my interview with adrien. >> i crawled on my elbows to try to get into one of the nearest businesses, i believe it was forum? i could be wrong on the name. i looked at a couple of people and looked up and said can you help me? can you help me? a couple of people were just in a state of shock.
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i don't believe that they were ill intended. i just think that they were just in shock. and then i grabbed the door open with my elbow and called in dragging blood and asked a couple people fr help and finally received it. >> how long were you there for? >> we were there -- it seems like forever. my guess would have been five-ten minutes. >> yeah, it's hard to tell. it seems like it crawls by. we definitely had some people there. and i kept saying tighter and tighter. the pain was unbearable. ifgs asking for whisky or vodka. >> did they bring you whiskey? >> no, they didn't. i thought this was going to be a long process. i knew there were bombs going off. i didn't know if there were more, but i didn't hear them.
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i thought i'm going to be here forever. and it was the middle of the marathon. there were bombs going off that were probably hundreds of thousands of people hurt. and i didn't think that they would get to us as fast as they did. >> i would love to find those guyings there that helped. i thanked him a lot, but i'd love to find those other people that i could say thank you to. >> you didn't know who they were? >> no, just good samaritans. at what point -- your mom and dad were there, and you woke up. they were there the next day?
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>> i thought i could still save my foot. they said wiggle your toe. do you feel your foot? i could still do it. so i thought in my forever optimism and thinking positive and i would still have my foot. >> do you still feel your foot? >> i do. when i have a sheet over it, i can feel that feeling of the sheet over top of your toeings. >> you're determined to dance again? >> i am. >> what's your favorite dance? >> it's hard to answer. it depends. i do them all. >> what's the first dance you want to do? ? >> the venus waltz. it's one of tougher ones, but it's fast and it's beautiful and it's a wonderful, wonderful dance.
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>> how are you coping with this new reality. >> it's minute-by-minute. overall, i look at the challenge as someone trained to stop me from realizing my dreams. i thought that ballroom dancing was something i was never going to do. it seems like a tough arena to be in. and i've conquered that. i'm not ready to stop. i feel reich someone has come in and said i'm not going to let you do that anymore. i have moments where i just get angry and mad that someone did this to me and someone did this to adam.
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and i won't be able to have the same that i had before. i get angry. i definitely get angry. >> e try and stay on the positive side. >> an amazing young woman. she's going to need a prosthetic device. they're very expensive. you can find out how to help her as well as many others in need. also to the web site, her family has set up to help her raise money. we've seen such incredible examples of resilience. >> i'm joined by boston anchor who has deep ties to the city. you see somebody like adrien. she says she's excited about the challenge of this new phase in her life. >> she's amazing.
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she's inspirational. that's the kind of spirit who gets the best of us. she's not only surviving, but taking on the challenge. >> she's about to start rehab already. and she's already practicing walking down the halls. we've seen this time and again. and traveling sudan and traveling around the world, you've reported a lot of stories where you see people at their worst. but you also see people at their best. >> it's something about the human spirit. i think that's why i left television news and got into spirituality and religion, anderson. >> you see stories like this in the middle of death where people are living or trauma where people are striving. i don't know exactly what that is, but i think it's in all of us.
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>> people are saying to me, when i come back from a place, it must be hard to see all of that. and i say actually, it's harder to be back here. when you're in a place like boston this week or overseas somewhere, they're shaking your hand and hugging you. they're talking about life and death. nothing is fake. and i feel that in boston this week. people are bound together. >> i know. i worked in sudan for 12 years as you know. and working with people who have nothing. whose lives are a fight every day to survive. i think it's because you have nothing else. i think sometimes we have the advantage so much that we're distracted about what real is. i don't know if we can manage
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this all of the time, but it would be really good to try to work on having this attitude, despite it all. to have been here in the wake of all of this and to have seen the compassion, i think it's a blessing. everybody here feels the sense of boston strong. it's a slogan, but it's very real. >> it's very real. oi think people are holding together and going to get through this together as a community. it will be interesting to see. evil hit, but good rises up. >> i kind of don't even want to go home. i want to stay here because i kind of want to make the -- i want to be part of this. >> well, i think you are a part of it because you're doing these stories and i think that's posht. that was wonderful.
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>> thank you, anderson. okay, god bless. >> the reverend liz walker. it's been a time of healing not only here in boston, but in the town of texas west where i was last week, also. an incredible story next. we're going to introduce you to a man who was an eyewitness in both tragedies. wi eel explain why ahead. ♪ this is the 2013 lexus es and the first-ever es hybrid. this is the pursuit of perfection. and the first-ever es hybrid. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase.
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now, an amazing story.
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two settings, here, in boston and in the texas town of west where a fire explosion killed 14,000 people. one man witnessed both this and the tragedy in boston. gary tuckman has that story. >> reporter: joe and amy look at this past week of disasters in boston and west texas from a very different van teenage point than others. so unique, it's hard to c contemplate. >> we just feel blessed that we're both okay. >> joe's story begins last monday in boston. he was running his first marathon for a charity called champions for children. this picture of him was taken at the finish line. just seconds after he crossed. >> his wiech, amy, was so very close. but not injured.
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>> that doesn't seem to make any sense when the person who was standing beside me in boston was so maimed. >> meanwhile, amy had no idea where her husband was. >> for an hour, it was the worst hour of my life. i didn't know if he was dead or alive. >> all the way up the elevator, i thought dear lord, just let him be there. i opened the door to our hotel room and i thought my god, there e he was. the not knowing was the worst things. on the next day, wednesday, joe had a business trip so he drove from austin to dallas. after a few hours, he started heading back home. after getting to austin, you had to drive on the interstate through this town, the town of west texas. >> joe was minutes away from the west fertilizer plant when he
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was stunned to see huge plumes of smoke. >> i saw a fire ball and then a giant cloud of smoke. >> you must be thinking to yourself, i just went through this on monday. >> yeah, i can't be doing this. what is it? is it another terrorist attack? is it a bomb? it was so massive. >> how old are you? >> 43. in 43 years, have you ever been near a bomb or an explosion before? it might have happened twice in three day sns. >> yeah. >> joe got back in his car. and, in a jitter ri voice, called his wife back at home. >> i said you'll never believe this. but i've seen another explosion
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